The Mackinaw and Retriever have a much better ore hold to compensate. Luc Chastot Gentleman's Corp 406: Posted - 2013.06.19 22:17:00 - - Quote. Insurance is simply a bet that your ship will explode within 90 days. 3.1 Procurer: EHP; 3.2 Skiff: EHP; 3.3 Porpoise; 3.4 Retriever: AFK; 3.5 Mackinaw: AFK; 3.6 Covetor: MAX YIELD; 3.7 Hulk: MAX YIELD; 3.8 Hulk: MAX YIELD BLING; 3.9 Orca; Skill Plans. Role Bonus: It would be easy to say “nerf the max yield of the Procurer”, but that downward pressure then simply has people switching to Ventures or similar, and the Procurer becomes a relic. In fact if you just assume your going to get blapped a few times it makes much more sense for the solo highsec miner to just fit out a retriever and get to mining. The Retrievers/Macks have a larger ore hold. Pyfa, all 5’s, no drones, max yield fits: Procurer max m3/s: 18 but its ore hold is 15,000m3 so at 3000m3 per cycle that's around 3 cycles so after 2 you jet can it for your alt to pick up. Retriever: 110% for afk moon mining in an op. Thus, it would seem that you'd use the Procurers in more risky situations, the Retrievers if you're mining solo and the Covetors if you've got a hauler you're teamed up with. For the command ships – the horizontal progression shows the increasing size, from cruiser to capital. Mining yield (total): 26.5 M3/S Procurer: For 110% afk mining in high sec. Hulk: For true active mining in null nec (null sec is less dangerous than low sec), max yield fit, paired with a second Hulk and a cloaky orca. No, they aren't. If you just assume your going to get blapped a few times it makes much more sense for the solo highsec miner to just fit out a max yield Covetor. Retriever = Mackinaw. You almost never see any other kind of barge used outside of highsec because they're so easy to kill. Given, a fully tanked Skiff is going to get you up towards the 100k EHP mark (the one I have is showing 91k), but I have to disagree with the other comments regarding ganking. Valkyrie II x5, Effective EHP 85.6K Pilot is a suspect. Modulated Strip Miner II, Plagioclase Mining Crystal II, Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II with Medium Mercoxit Crystal Optimization I: Mercoxit mining amount = Skiff effective mining amount * (1+0,16) Mercoxit mining amount = 2436 Mercoxit mining amount rounded down to a multiple of 40m3 = 2400 Bistot: Skiff effective mining amount = 360*(1.75)*(1+1.5)*(1+0.05*5)*(1+0.05*5)*(1+0.295) Skiff effective mining amount = 3848 Those rocks are much bigger than the crap that shows up in HS. Dans le même ordre d'idée : Le mot pirogue, du maya "piragua" passé dans l'espagnol, désigne aussi une petite embarcation, et se retrouve utilisé pour tout un tas de bateaux qui n'ont pas grand chose de … A skiff is not as much of an opportunistic target as say, a Hulk. You will need a combat alt (same or different account) to shoot the rats. Actually, they are beaten to a pulp by mining frigates and their t2 variants. This is pretty straight on. However, the skiff sacrifices yield and some ore hold capacity to do this. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. Covetor = Hulk. Survey Scanner II That being said, a careless Skiff pilot can still lose their ship in Low/Nullsec. If the Procurer/Skiff had the same, I'd immediately abandon the Venture in favor of one of those ships. It’s not though. Mining Laser Upgrade II, Multispectrum Shield Hardener II The term skiff is used for a number of essentially unrelated styles of small boats. Once you tank the Skiff out, the difference in yield compared to a max yield Procurer goes upside down, to where the Procurer is pulling in more (again, excluding drones for the numbers). The wolves go for the weakest in the herd. It could defend itself from rats. It's good for a space Winnebago though.. 5. share. Miner https://zkillboard.com/kill/44701976/https://zkillboard.com/kill/44701999/....i hate Drones It can fight back, and requires a lot more DPS to kill before concord responds. Therefore, the skiff should be used when under the threat of being ganked or when having to operate under heavy NPC fire. Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II, Mining Drone II x5 Um, if you are mining in null you want a tanky ship with high yield. The only way the Expedition Frigates come close is by using non-viable builds: Skiff: 21.9 m3 / sec (basic T2 build with T2 crystals). I ASSUMED that the skiff would pull more ore but you know what happens when you ASSUME, so I asked. Skiff max m3/s: 21.9, Procurer Price: ~76mil isk The Skiff is the tankiest of all of the mining ships, able to be as sturdy as a Battleship in terms of EHP. man Intarissable Messages : 6836 Enregistré le : ven. Maybe also try doing things like setting contacts, watching local and dscan etc you might get caught once in a blue moon. High-sec miners have switched to Mackinaws and Retrievers in droves. Actually, they are somewhat the kings at this task in empire space. For each size, you progress vertically in tech level – the Tech 1 frigates leading to the Tech 2 frigates and T1 mining barges lead to the T2 exhumers. You’re looking at roughly a 33% increase in tank with this fit and a 15% increase in yield for a 260% increase in price. Drop the survey scanner and get your shield resists up for bombs. Prospect: 16.1 m3 / sec (not a viable build: requires MDC Miner II's and 4x MLU II's, which requires 2x CPU rigs and nothing in your mids but a compact AB). Problem solved, unless I am missing the problem if the problem is the asteroids do not have enough ore then you can stop the cycle halfway through and get a percentage of the yield. Its weakness would be its inability to take mining boosts. [Procurer, Procurer EHP] [Skiff, Skiff EHP] Nullsec. The issue in null is not that big, but still it accounts as a disadvantage. However, it is expensive and a nice kill mail for s bored ganker. I guess big orehold for low/null sec but for hisec large orehold is useless as you can mine faster just jetcanning & using a Miasmos. If you’ve been playing long enough that the extra 194.2 million ISK doesn’t matter - enjoy your Skiff but don’t bother insuring it - platinum only pays out 30% of the hull cost! Just don’t fit point though. Any details? J'opterais pour l'enceinte embarquant les deux 21 cm, ils permettent des niveaux importants et ils procurent un grave rapide. So I was in a wormhole and I found this ore site. I don't know why you're trying to min-max so hard to maybe get 10m an hour in highsec its shit income no matter how you slice it. I've noticed lately that skiffs and procurers and somewhat the underdogs when it comes to ore mining. Mack: For Semi afk Moon Mining (be in voice at least) in a fleet with shield boosts. Key point here is play the game, watch local, dock up if afk and you wont need to rage about mining ship losses. Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II, Effective EHP 64.7K Thank you @Terak_Romaller and @Do_Little for your helpful responses. It can BARELY out mine a skiff but it's tank is made of paper mache' (max tank is around 30,000 but its size makes it too easy to hit). -500% bonus to mining drones yield. We are proud with the immediate release of EVE Workbench 1.6.0 which brings you new features and bug fixes. Price (Pyfa estimate): 74.8M ISK, Damage Control II Plus no need to spend time changing crystals to deal with different types of ore, and no investment in buying crystals, etc. Insurance is just an insult and a joke, like a poorly thought out gimmick that was a good idea in somebody’s head and got slapped into game with nobody paying enough attention to veto it. The Skiff also gets an additional low slot giving all three Exhumer three low slots, unlike its Barge counterpart the Procurer. You have to have Mining Barge trained to level V before you can start Exhumers, so as soon as you can actually fly the Skiff you get a 14% reduction in cycle time. There are zero reasons to mine with it in high sec or low when skiffs can take punishment and hulks can murder rocks. Mining Barge bonuses (per skill level): 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints. Another advantage of the skiff compared to the procurer is it’s ability to hold a 3rd set of drones. -More fuckin CPU/powergrid (its worse them most t1 frigs). level 1. Mining Laser Upgrade II, EM Shield Amplifier II Your best defence when mining in a Skiff is someone else mining in a Hulk (or a even better a Mackinaw) in the same belt. 5% bonus to ship shield hitpoints Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Skiff Price: ~225mil isk. Current bonuses: Mining Barge bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to ship shield hitpoints 2% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration, Exhumers bonuses (per skill level): 4% bonus to all shield resistances 2% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration, Role Bonus: 150% bonus to Strip Miner yield 60% reduction in Ice Harvester duration and activation cost 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints, The solution: Replace the current yield bonus with cycle time reduction, similar to ice harvesters and slightly nerf them(maybe add some range bonus, as compensation), Proposed bonuses: Mining Barge bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to ship shield hitpoints 2% reduction in Ice Harvester duration 1% reduction in Strip Miner duration 1-5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range, Exhumers bonuses (per skill level): 4% bonus to all shield resistances 2% reduction in Ice Harvester duration 1% reduction in Strip Miner duration 1-5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range, Role Bonus: 60% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration(and activation cost maybe?) Sailing skiffs have developed into high performance competitive classes. If you wish to use a tanky fit in nullsec – see the above highsec tanky fit. 2 years ago. For straight up solo mining, there’s a reason people are using Orca’s and the Porpoise drone fits. At 250+million isk, the “risk” of using a Skiff does not outweigh the rather small increase in ore yield. I wasn’t sure if the barge bonus stacked onto the skiff bonus which is why I asked. The Covetor's/Hulks will mine more in a given time but have a smaller ore hold. The only bonus to actual mining is the the duration and the bonus is the same for both so I thought maybe the skiff added its bonus to the barges bonus for a 4% reduction per skill. It doesn’t scale to more veteran players in T2 ships as by that time they should have ample resources and know the game enough to cover or avoid the loss of their more expensive ship. There’s not many ganks where a Retreiver lives but a Covetor doesn’t and Covetor has a bit more yield. In nullsec, you have a reasonable option of skipping the tank-driven fits of highsec for max yield fits. Skiff: 21.9 m3 / sec (basic T2 build with T2 crystals). So you can have one set of mining drones, one set of combat drones and one set of ECM drones. Multispectrum Shield Hardener II I am using a t2 laser with t2 crystals and no implants. Most of the cycles are wasted, thus, any hope of efficiency in this ship is lost. Being the Tech II version of the Procurer, the Skiff naturally has the most impressive tank out of the three Exhumers by quite a large margin; with proper fitting, it can have battleship-level EHP. Multispectrum Shield Hardener II In gank friendly space I will stick to the procurer, it is cheaper and does well enough. As for fitting you shield tank them. Industrial Command and Capital Industrial Ships With the release of the Ascension , the Orca , Rorqual , and the newly-introduced Porpoise all have bonuses to ice harvesting drone cycle time. The Skiff is also a lot tankier. With the same (high skill) character: Damage Control II It’s not immune to being ganked, but if fitted well is a tough bugger with a good ability to do damage. Covetor: For true active mining in low sec (low sec is the most dangerous), max yield fit. That's leaving the Skiff and Procurer for baiting. Always fit with higgs rigg and aligned to a TAC/safe. Mais le Skiff reste mon choix N°1... La brick 500 embarque un excellent BC12, mais je n'aime vraiment pas ces foutus 17 cm... Haut. Yes, the Skiff will output more m3 than the Procurer, else why would there be a T2 variant if there wasn’t an advantage…. I happen to have similar T2 fits for Procurer and Skiff on Pyfa. 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints. I miss those days. Drone damage is trash. No way in heck can I fly around in a Hulk like I did with the T1 Covetor as the risk/reward from the insurance payouts dictates so. The ORE ships listed below are grouped by size, tech level, and speciality. Mining yield (total): 23 M3/S -Slightly higher base speed with lower sig/weight. Even though I do it for my freighter all the time. 2007 14:42 Localisation : Paris. It is that sort of fit which is wonderfully multi-purpose. It also allows differing game play scenarios for players like me who was willing & able to take the risk to fly around in a platinum insured Covetor focusing on yield (which I would lose occasionally no big deal) over to a tank focused Skiff. You can’t continue pushing down and nerf the Venture also, simply because it’s output is so poor that players would probably swap back to mining fits from the pre-barge days. At Exhumer level V your total reduction is 20%. Currently everyone in my ice belt is using a procurer/skiff to mine ice, but I'm having a hard time grasping why since the skiff/procurer can only use a single ice harvester. You will make back all your isk spent on that fit in a few hours and replacing it with insurance is a very minor obstacle. Report Save. 75% of the times, you dont get full yield on a cycle. Like the Hulk below this is paired with a second covetor and a purpoise. Procurer and then Skiff. It allows for newer players who have recently acquired a tech-1 ship to protect their investment which is massive for them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. But, back to the topic, The skiff and the procurer have similar yields to mackinaw and retriever but, it sacrifices cargo space for tankiness. You don't fly them for the efficiency, you fly them because you'll survive long enough for friends to come help you deal with whatever it is that's attacking you. It's too slow and vulnerable to use its cargo space. Adding a couple of mining drones to your fit means you can make up for the lost production, while still have a rat guard. Skiff: For active solo mining in belts where the rats are dangerous and no allied combat ship/boost/logi for the rats. that's the main issue im trying to adress. price: ~44mil isk. skiff, du vieux français "esquif" (petit bateau). So you can have one set of mining drones, one set of combat drones and one set of ECM drones 1 … -Remove the high slots and place them in the lows. Right now the Procurer to me was just a stepping stone mining barge I used before I could afford to buy a better one. In my 8 months of this game, I’ve never been ganked in highsec no matter what I was flying but then, I don’t fly anything worth ganking into the “road to Jita” paths. Solo HS T2 Procurer: 111.172.864,80: Kalden Rollard <Pig-Army> Proccy: 286.193.321,50: pigmanal rocker PUBLC Procurer Tier 2: 321.471.450,00: GallacticostaR Stevens EVE Workbench Changelog × EVE Workbench Release 1.6.0. (or something comparable to a skiff for output). Of the mining barges, the Procurer has the biggest tank whilst being in the middle for ore hold size and last for yield, thus making the Procurer most useful for mining in austere environments. Good thinking. Cap is the size of a small mouse. If you use a Retreiver then picking a system or two where the gankers go infrequently would be required as you are basically using the increase yield to pay for the certain death you will have if they try to gank you. 2% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration, Exhumers bonuses (per skill level): These ships have similar stats to the mining barge counterparts. Even the T1 procurer has a battleship-sized tank. Price (Pyfa estimate): 269M ISK. What? Turns like a tree. The Orca is terrible for solo mining. I like the Skiff in belts with smaller rocks, less wasted time. The Skiff and Procurer get much higher EHP for almost no difference in mining efficiency. Mining ships appear under their own faction tree: ORE – which stands for Outer Ring Excavations. I knew people who used Retreivers and Coveters because they were ganked so infrequently that the additional yield was worth it. You can hate on the Procurer (wrongly) as much as you want, but don't spread false information. The yield needs to be increased, or the price needs to be cut in half, especially since the Skiff appears to have been designed to be a more solo/defensive mining ship. Another strategy in addition to checking d-scan & local, higgs rig, etc is to join a mining corp that many hang out in one system/HQ a bit out of the way/away from Jita. Procurer = Skiff. Skiff (or a Procurer while you are training the Skiff). 2 Stream snipers in catalyst attempted to gank my Skiff, they managed to get to around 82% Shields. Please note: Nullsec is a different animal than highsec. The training times listed in these skill plans are approximate and do not take into consideration either implants or utilizing attribute remaps. Gankers may appear to be after easy kills, and some of them are lazy in that respect, but if they are after the “isk destroyed” value on the killboards, they’ll drop the Cats and switch to Tornados. That was what I was hoping and the extra cost will be worthwhile in the long run. The Skiff gets a mining cycle time reduction for each lever of the Exhumers skill, an extra low slot for a mining laser upgrade and a larger ore hold reducing the need to return to unload. I am trying to see if there increase of ore mined for the skiff or if they end up mining the exact same amount in the same amount of time. The issue: Compared to hulks and mackinaws(and their t1 variants), the skiff and procurer are almost unusable for ore mining due to the high yield per miner (3000m3 with t2 crystals). This should be THE ship for solo miners because its yield could be better then un-boosted skiffs. If you do find yourself being attacked by players, remember to overheat your tanking mods. Skiff: The T2 version of the Procurer. The Covetor and Hulk have the best ore yield per hour but rubbish tanking ability and should be avoided in high sec. Its toughness is truly impressive and with proper Module selection, this ship can take a punishment that would cripple even some battleships. It does everything, including tanking against suicide ganks, "well enough." Hey guys, so I know about the dangers of mining in J-space, checking d-scan and such, only flying what you can afford to replace. (XVè siècle) C'est en effet un terme générique ! It's broken. Actually, they are beaten to a pulp by mining frigates and their t2 variants. A build that's more likely on the Prospect puts it between 12.6 and 14.8 m3 / sec. That way you do not loose anything on your cycle. The biggest joke in eve the the mackinaw. This also means added security on the belts in addition to concord as ally mates will be out hunting those that do pop on local in ships that aren’t mining barges. Use whatever you want. Multispectrum Shield Hardener II 2% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration [R]Skiff or Procurer vs. sleeper frigates. You still need one CPU rig, though, so if you get rid of … If you don’t want to be ganked, pay attention. If you don’t care about getting ganked, use the cheaper ship. You still need one CPU rig, though, so if you get rid of that, you're down to ~11.6 m3 / sec. you can add 2webifiers on the hulk, then chain web the next hulk in a chat( like logis) reducing the hulk to 9m/s. The whole point of skiffs and procurers are to be VERY tanky. Exactly. Is a skiff/procurer better for ice mining? The point of proc yield vs. cargo is to go with mining fleets to chew dirt and spit it into a container. It may be also noted that this is a good choice to have with a hauler while still having good defense with out a combat ship. Always fit with higgs rigg and aligned to a TAC/safe. Procurer: 16.8 m3 / sec (basic T2 build with T2 crystals). I disagree on Retreiver for solo highsec mining. Procurer: 16.8 m3 / sec (basic T2 build with T2 crystals). Différence de format oblige, les Skiff offrent aussi une scène sonore beaucoup plus étendues et supportent par conception des niveaux de puissance bien plus élevés. Elles ne peuvent en revanche rivaliser sur le naturel, la dynamique et les détails que procurent les Skiff. Whether or not you take that bet has nothing to do with the value of your ship, only the size of the stake and the probability of explosion. Hell it wasn't that long ago a Corp mate and I spent an entire 8 hours chewing through a single spod rock. Aye never thought of that. Porcurer max m3/s including drones, but only using Strip I’s: 18.3 Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. Mining Laser Upgrade II What Is Ganking? Are you trying to tell me these ships are meant for mining??? Survey Scanner II, Modulated Strip Miner II, Plagioclase Mining Crystal II Another advantage of the skiff compared to the procurer is it’s ability to hold a 3rd set of drones. I enjoy mining, as it is what originally brought me to the game, but something needs to change, especially with the Skiff. It would further differentiate the skiff and procurers as niche mining ships, fix their ore mining problem(please dont say "use survey scanner"). Skiffing refers to the sporting and leisure activity of rowing (or more correctly sculling) a Thames skiff.A Thames skiff is a traditional hand built clinker-built wooden craft of a design which has been seen on the River Thames and other waterways in England and other countries for nearly 200 years. Prospect: 16.1 m3 / sec (not a viable build: requires MDC Miner II's and 4x MLU II's, which requires 2x CPU rigs and nothing in your mids but a compact AB) A build that's more likely on the Prospect puts it between 12.6 and 14.8 m3 / sec. Then people in local really pop that aren’t an alliance member & can warn each other in their channel when ie: Goons are rolling through. I see the point of both the Procurer & Covetor & their T2 counterparts, but don’t really see the point in the Retreiver or it’s T2 counterpart. It also has quite impressive engines, so hostiles will have a hard time keeping up during a chase. If it could escape it would actually be used. The Procurer's/Skiffs are tougher. Small Battlegroup attack null sec. 19 janv. It’s no guarantee, it just changes the odds a little. With the yield numbers being so close and the prices having such a wide spread, the Procurer is easily the better option. Skiff - As the upgraded (Tech II) version of the Procurer, the Skiff was made to last. They are used mostly in ice mining. Your ability to sniff out an incoming gank before it lands and GTHO before it lands is more important than which ship you decide to use. Salvage Drone I x5 Mining Barge Maximum Mining Comparison | EVE Online Mining is all about min maxing in my opinion. Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender, Medium Core Defense Field Extender II So someone has to want to gank you, otherwise they’ll move on to a softer target that requires fewer ships. It's cargo hold is only twice-ish that of a skiff so it gets no advantage when skiffs can jet can mine. 4% bonus to all shield resistances Feedback welcome at r/image_linker_bot | Disable with "ignore me" via reply or PM. The Skiff is the toughest of the Exhumers without any modules, and becomes as tough if not tougher than many battleships when fully fitted and skilled. But one thing's definitely for sure: Skiffs and Procurers aren't for mining and any Skiff or Procurer you see out there probably isn't doing it. ect. Not a field, just one huge friggin' rock. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6555956#post6555956. The lows could get more tank or drone damage. They are only moderately slower, and cost half as much in Omega subscription. I'd love to actually use mining drones for something. Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 12: Posted - 2012.08.11 06:16:00 - - Quote. Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II Couldn't find a post. Mining Ship Fitting. Traditionally, these are coastal craft or river craft used for leisure, as a utility craft and for fishing, and have a one-person or small crew.
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